Someone told me something i thought was a interesting.
since the main reasons for not drinking non kosher wine today do not apply they technically in todays world are equal to any alcohol. which should according to halacha not be drank at your local watering hole. based on that there may be a case to say i can buy a non kosher bottle of wine and drink it in my own home.
is this person crazy? or is there some validity to what they are saying?
Person is incorrect.
The wines today have been downgraded from possible Yayin Nesech to Yayin Stam.
However it still needs supervision or at least a confirmation that it was not touched nor poured by a non-Jew.
A follow up question: I have always been told that I need to pour nonkosher wine that I received as a gift down the toilet. I have received countless bottles of expensive nonkosher wine and have done just that. Just received another. After reading this, Iโm wondering why I canโt regift it.
You are correct in your assumption, that you may re-gift to a non jew. (assuming that gifting to that individual is permitted) For example a business associate who you would like to curry favor with, for future business dealings etc. Nevertheless storing them would be a problem lest you may accidentally consume them. So the best advice would be to regift them shortly after you receive them.
The reason that we cannot drink ืกืชื ืืื ื from those who we donโt have any real ืืฉืฉ of avoda zara would seem to be ืืชื ืืช.
Surely the ืืืืื were only allowed to be ืืืืจ on that which is similar to the Torah issue of ืืื ื ืกืโฆ
Re ืืชื ืืช, YD 127(7) appears to tell us that if wine is touched without kavana by non-idolworshipping non-Jew, itโs mutarโฆ:-
ืืฉ ืื ืฉืืืืจ ืฉืื ืืงืื ืฉืืืจื ืืืื ืฉืื ื ืฉืืื ืืืชืจ ืืื ืื ืืืกืืจ ืืฉืชืืื ืืคื ื ืฆื ื ืืืขื ืฉื ืืข ืื ืืขืืื ืืืืืื ืืฉืืื ืืขืืื ืืืืืื ืขืืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืืกืืจื ืืืื ืขืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืืื ื ืขืืื ืืืืืื ืฉื ืืข ืืืื ืฉืื ื ืฉืื ืืืืื ื ืื ืฉืืคื ืขื ืคื ืืืืืช ืืจื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืฉืชืืื ืืื ืื ืืืืฆื ืืื:
Whatโs the issue then based on this with buying wine in a supermarket? What would be the reason to assume ืืืืืจื that the wine was a) touched by a xn; and b) that a xn falls into the category of ืข"ื in the first place since they generally anyway believe in one G-d and we would not define them as โpagansโ. Also they have no intention at all to do anything with the wine, theyโre simply bottling itโฆ
TIA.
I commend you on your argument.
We thought about this and discussed it thoroughly many years ago.
We followed that by a trip to the wineries on the North Fork of Long Island, together with my Father and several guys from the Kollelโฆ
We went from winery to winery and they were all saying, โthereโs no way that a person can touch or pour the wine.โ
Finally we spoke to the foremost maven there, I forgot his name, but you can tell he knew his stuff. He said that everyone is lying to you, because there are hoses that go from tanks to barrels and/or vice-versa that can easily contain a dozen bottles worth of wine. So, they need to salvage that wine by pouring it into a pail.
I do believe that the cheaper wines that are manufactured and sold in huge volumes are not touched by humans at all, nor poured by humans. I did not continue looking into that. If you can confirm that, itโs Kosher and you can use it for Kiddush.
Thank you for commending my logic. 
How would one go about confirming whether these wines you reference are โnot touched by humans at allโโฆ ?
A letter from the company would work, but you need to make sure that they understand the question.
I was always planning to ask for a tour of the factory, so I can understand it properly. But certainly a proper letter is fine.
This is mindblowing, and will most probably be met with opposition outside of this forum.
Can you share with us the halachic parameters that would make a wine kosher/not kosher, and what questions to ask when inquiring with a winery?
If a non-Jew pours the wine or touches the actual wine, it renders it Yayin Stam and you cannot drink it. We do not have Yayin Nesech today, which would be a much stricter version of non-kosher wine.
You ask the company and try to get an email or letter confirming that โin the processing of the wine, from when the wine is separated from the grapes, until the bottles are sealed, everything is automated and there is no opportunity for a human being to either touch the wine itself or even pour it from one container to another.โ
If you get a letter like that, I would love to post it here. Good luck.
Grape juice!
And I have such a letter from Welchโs!
Cool. But Welchโs has another heter, because the grape juice is cooked.
is wine used by a Christian Priest in communion yayin nesech? I know Catholic and Orthodox Christians consider their Mass/Liturgy to be โa sacrificeโ. I work as a prison chaplain, and I am not sure if I am having hanaโah by working together with them (there isnโt much I do for them vis a vis their wine, but other groups in the prison, such as Native American, I do help give them their sacred herbs)
Not a problem.
The wine does not become yayin nesech and itโs ok to work with them. If the wine is not mevushal, it will become yayin stam, which is forbidden, albeit to a much lower level, as Iโm sure you knew.
Christianity is not Avoda Zara, itโs shituf.
Hindu is where you will have some real problem.
Seriously???
I donโt think Hindus practice nissuch hayayin, but I have also heard some Hindus consider themselves to be Monotheistic essentially
true. But many are real idol worshippers and some of your concerns might pose a problem if you helped them with the idolsโฆ
Someone just told me that if i have a non mev bottle and i put a drop of water into it it changes the status of the wine. meaning if one has someone cleaning in the house and after a meal they move the bottle or decanter in order to clean then it would not render the bottle unkosher. does this have any validity or if a non jew touches the wine in any which way after its opened it is rendered unkosher.
Itโs only a problem if it was poured. Moving does not constitute a problem